Everyone has their own opinion about the climate.
Here is a site where the forecasts are bad
https://creativesociety.com/
It's up to you to believe them or not...

Until green folks and climate activists come up with actually good solution that doesn't destroy world economy and lives - they can take a hike. Especially all thoose "eat ze bugs instead of meat" or "farming is bad" kind, or morrons that trying to push electric cars and windfarms as eco-friendly solution for infrastructure. (Love to see them trying to charge their accumulators in large numbers relying only on wind or solar energy).
Quoting George Carlin:"The planet is fine. The people are fucked".

We are gonna be using the Oil and Coal til its gone or they figure the Fusion thing out. I don't think people realize all these alternatives like electric cars actually run on oil and coal. We will all be gone in a few decades so who really cares anyway the Earth can burn once no one I care about is left.

I think we just need to be more aware, not brainlessly use earths resources we'll and the earth will be in a better shape. In the Netherlands this also is a major topic ofc, like in any other country. It's only crap when it affects countries who contribute almost zero to none pollution, experience the effects the most. Like countries in Africa where it hasn't rained for 4 season's or more due to climate change.

You know, ants live as a single organism. But human is like a spermatozoid, he always needs to be the first ...😁 Perhaps this is our nature.

I'm wondering what would you guys choose?

  1. Each person is like a god of himself and his own imagination
  2. Each person as a single organism and everything around as a single whole body

    Jacey Nice to know.

    I wish there be some sort of constraint where you live the world you create. That way Karma would be very real threat to fossil fuel propagators.

        Nicefu Perhaps this is our nature.

        Isn't cooperation like human's trait that we've got through evolution process? You could see it in the fact that we are still very tribalistic despite globalization process: just take a look at things like "America fuck yeah" that bleeds in everything in global pop-culture or "We are r_SS_ans - Gott mit uns" that resurfaced recently east of Europe, or Japan's fairly isolationistic culture.

        Nicefu Each person is like a god of himself and his own imagination

        So, basically schizophrenic? 😃 Though he doesn't have control over it...Well, neither does god, w/e it is.

        Nicefu Each person as a single organism and everything around as a single whole body

        That's just contradict itself, because "person" by definition is based on "individualism". So, if everybody is a part of single organism, then there's no individuality, hence, no personality, just drones and organelles.
        You could speculate that being a nation is kinda like being the one organism, but that's the thing: you forfeit your persona and individualism (at least mental, physically you still separate) in favor of unity with others in one.

        the_cowboy where you live the world you create.

        Basically never ending hell? Because if you choose not to act - you help in creation of "bad" world. If you choose action but make mistakes (and you will do so, because it's inevitable due to our flawed design) - off you go to "bad" world. You forfeit "world" to attain enlightenment? Off you go to "bad" world, because you contributed to creation of "bad" (cuz basically you choose inactivity).
        Arguably, everyone who plays ut or sits here on forum helps to create a "bad" world, since we waste resources on meaningless thing just for our "joy", while contributing to "climate change".

                  Schizazoid Basically never ending hell?

                  This is the reason why I watch lot of nature documentaries. So that I end up in natural bliss.

                  One who appreciates nature cannot be bad.

                      the_cowboy Well, nature is violent though. It is a never ending (at least in foreseeable future) cycle of birth, fighting for survival by killing and destroying stuff. and finally, death. So, our separation from said "nature" (through means of industrialization and whatnot and following destruction of natural balance by that separation) is just a continuation of that "bliss"-full cycle of nature, is it not?
                      I'm not saying, that polluting oceans, drying up lakes/rivers. deforesting large quantities of land and basically shit where you eat and sleep is a good thing. I'm saying that it's just "natural" (pun intended).
                      IDK, but I get the impression that only way one can get salvation is ceasing and erasing one's existence.

                          Schizazoid Well I guess you may say that. In Hinduism there is a phrase, in effect, ".. what you see destruction, is only creation..". Contextually I see that a natural phenomenon of life.

                          Let me be clear, artificial (and you be right to ask what is natural and what is artificial) destruction, like unchecked pollution and wars and what not is not something I am willing to incorporate in the above context.

                              the_cowboy Not exactly familiar with Hinduism or derivatives.
                              One can argue that what you described as "artificial destruction" is actually a continuation of "natural destruction" (for example, tribes of monkeys that have massive wars for turf or just hostilities between different packs sometimes resulting in straight up genocide, something like, erhm, "Gombe chimpanzee war" iirc). Plus, if one pack of species grow large enough or somehow get into diffferent biom - they start damaging ecosystem. With that in mind: are we really that separate from "natural" order of things? Only difference between us and forementioned monkey tribes is our ability to use tools and to create new ones that are more sophisticated - and that is "given" to us by "nature". And since humans are part of nature (even if one believes that humanity actually extraterrestrial and not native to this earth), we can assume that all the "bad" things like pollutions, destroyed ecosystems, defoliation, world wars, contamination of earth and water with all sorts of toxins and radioactive things is just that... the "natural dectruction", that's what I'm tried to tell.
                              So, following that line of thoughts one begins to wonder: how one can appreciate nature while combating said nature within himself? Is it even right path? Or better succumb to that "destructive part" of our, for the lack of better word, "psyche" and axelerate "destructive creation" that "nature" does through our hands?
                              P.S. No, I'm not high or drunk.

                                  Schizazoid I don't think anyone can teach you what is natural and what is not the same way no one teaches you to sleep for however long, however posture or how to make account in forums heh.

                                  That is something each individual has to come up himself by keeping society's (collective) welfare in mind too. All I say is based on fundamental belief that every single living and breathing entity knows right from wrong. I won't get into whys and hows of that though.

                                      I'm so high right now I thought this was about some bad weather not Gaia Monkeys.

                                        the_cowboy same way no one teaches you to sleep for however long, however posture or how to make account in forums heh.

                                        Well, throughout my life I've met people (or otherwise interacted with "blocks of data" that world impose on me by any means) who always tell me what to do, what is right/wrong etc. Ppl tell me what to eat, what to consume as information, where to go, who to hate (or even kill) - and I'm sure you encountered that as well, since that kind of, let's say, "social programming" is presented throughout all kind of governments in the world, heh.
                                        I agree with you, that nobody can teach you what is right or wrong. Mostly because all those "teachers" don't know that themselves and just repeat what they've been taught (or told to teach).

                                        jerc I thought this was about some bad weather not Gaia Monkeys.

                                        Monkeys do things => weather goes bad. Or something like that, heh.

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