drunken_fool mandingo isn't you ow then maybe im wrong in that , but i know you camp a loth and dm , thats what i see , but youre not alone. And why i leave i said it before , just too many people starting to use the same playstyle and thats just DM , you just can't have a normal game anymore, thats a fact. You just have to work to hard to have a decend game , the rest won't help you out , so for me its to exhausting ..