Request to delete CTF- 1v1 Joust map

deepack

Hello Snowguy,

Please consider deleting this map off the mapvote. There are people who vote this map just to stand in a corner and target spawn points by doing standing combos for 20 mins straight. There's nothing good in this map and it's mostly voted to annoy others or because guys who are the absolute bottom fraggers have a chance to get kills by doing what i stated. There is no good argument in why you are keeping this dogshit map in the map list. What makes it worse is when the server is packed with 16 players this map is way too small for this much players. Please delete this because im sure about 80% of the players leave the server when it's voted.

destro

The good argument to keep this map is it helps the bottom tier fraggers get kills and it's a fun map for ball spammers. I don't even shoot a combo ball but I see where they get their fun from. Removing maps is something I wouldn't bother with. Joust is one of the most frequented maps if you look at the utstats page. It's also a classic. Removing maps that are spawnkill combo maps sets up a precedent to have non-combo spawnkill maps removed as well. That would be FootBallz, Fragwhore, PicturePerfect and even Woot could be on the table. I wouldn't fix what isn't broken and player base is as high as it is. This is really the only server left that's highly frequented. My opinion though.

Peter

I also detest Joust on combo and just leave/spectate when it's voted. It's exactly as you describe, just constant intentional spawnkilling.

However, I agree with Destro in that people vote it frequently so I assume they enjoy it. Who am I to say they shouldn't?

snowguy

I don't really like joust maps much myself either but as others are saying popularity is the key. Mayhem has always been popular. 1on1-Joust is the 5th most popular map on the server. Some of the newer players that like that sort of game will hopefully become good CTF players and be the new regulars as the years go by. That way, they can keep the game going while some of us have to take our breaks from the game. Hopefully then, there will still be a game to be had when we return. This is why we should all try to encourage newer players rather than the opposite.

Peter

I hope it didn't come across as slating your map @MORTIS !

I think it can work great as a 1v1 map, but in a populated server on combo you can literally be spawnkilled 30 times in a row without getting a single shot off. Even delaying your spawn a little to offset the spam timing doesn't seem to work on it.

Still, if it's what people want to play then it's what people want to play.

snowguy That way, they can keep the game going while some of us have to take our breaks from the game. Hopefully then, there will still be a game to be had when we return. This is why we should all try to encourage newer players rather than the opposite.

Completely agree with this. It's why people should be more tolerant of different playing styles as well such as camping in their own base or even backshooting (bouncing excluded of course! 🫣). Not everyone knows the unspoken rules!

MORTIS

Not really objective here as I'm the creator of Joust (long, LONG time ago), but

The point of Joust is to drive the other team to their own side and pin the flag, that is why it is called Joust (like two people fighting eachother on a beam trying to reach the other side) and is for the most part a question of luck which adds to the 'fun' as it isn't really skilled based which seem people to enjoy every now and then.

I think it is up to the players what they want, and if the map is voted for that frequent it speaks for it self that some, or even most people like the change of pace the map brings every now and then in the map rotation.

You could just spectate if you don't like to play on it and enjoy the other 5 maps it takes for the map to be available to vote for.

I don't think it is a good idea to delete popular maps just because 'you do not enjoy them', even if it is a map I created, or any other map for that matter.

skynet

1-1 maps are totally OK and very fun to play on when played with max players they've been made for. Playing 1-1 on a full server makes no sense at all.
We all know why they're voted for, half the people don't usually bother with voting and you only need 4 or 5 maniacs/campers to get the map voted.
A welcome change would be, if a map is rated for 2-4 players, you cannot vote for it if when there's twice the amount of people on the server already or something like that. Just my useless 2 cents 🙂

ESUOH

skynet good idea

Covid_A_Swab

Blasphemy!!! how dare you challenge the legitimacy of CTF-1on1-Joust !! i suggest you play Fortnite if you dont like real skilled and chaotic gameplay.

newjack

Yeah, we should have joust only server with up to 20 players per team, should be buckets of fun

atezris

It's usually voted in when top players are on the server, seemingly to make them leave or just to annoy them. There are other similar maps, though they're a bit wider, and I'm fine with those.

Every time I play this map, I feel like a breathing potato, losing brain cells with every passing second. It's cognitive torture. I don't even bother trying to do anything useful because it all feels completely pointless.

drunken_fool

Joust you have to push.

jerc

I hate joust so I kill as many as I can for voting that shit.