Actual Cheater

Ooper · 2023-04-09T16:50:07+00:00

Noticed on the map before when he was on my team, every time I or a team mate would walk across his path he would shoot instantly, same with grapple colors,...

Actual Cheater

Ooper

Jerc, the green dot is your crosshair, the red square I added with paint, the cheat is looking at each pixel inside of that square for a certain shade of red or blue, if it sees a correct colour it will trigger a mouse click, you can make the target area as big or as small as you want or place it anywhere on your screen, that's the basics of how that type of cheat works.

player_0

jerc
In something blue and/or red and he wasn't killed because in this colorful bot you can also set something as like the range of the field around the crosshair (Mr. Ooper showed it) And it is very important what shades of these colors you have added. It's not just the typical blue RGB 0.0.255 and the typical red 255.0.0. If the enemy crouches in a dark corner, his skin suddenly change to, for example, 0,0,30. The range is sygnificant on this blue. The same goes for red. In general, I'm skeptical about it because no one will be able to set all the shades of these colors. The more you add shades on the palette of this colorbot, the greater the sensitivity to detect this color sample on the map. Not only on characters. Suddenly you find yourself shooting around all over the place, non-stop and you find that your mouse is broken. 😉

Jacey

player_0

Mr. Ooper
This guy has manners...

player_0

Schizazoid That's kinda silly. Acc. does matter

There was a debate recently on this forum about acc.
Besides, no need to be a genius to say that one shock ball can kill even 6 or more enemies.

Ooper

Pretty sure if you kill someone with a combo it's not counted as a hit, only hits with a shockball or left click will count as a hit if I'm not mistaken.

player_0

Ooper
It may be as you write. Something must have changed in the counting. Only some people look at acc, stating that if someone has a high ACC on the ComboGib server, they immediately become suspicious of this person. Reminds me of a thread where Mr. Shizazoid stated that Mr sad_but_true wants to cheat tracking in stats by only shooting shock balls - https://eatsleeput.com/d/187-game-victory-scenes/85 where this was answered by friendofafriend:
https://eatsleeput.com/d/187-game-victory-scenes/87
So, first of all, Mr. Shizazoid got it wrong then, and secondly, using only alternative fire and getting 48% acc, something is rather wrong. isn't it?

Schizazoid

player_0 That was a silly joke, rather than serious statement, but ok.
Shooting only balls (heh) on maps bigger than joust will inevitably result in lower accuracy (even without mindless spamming) since it's a projectile attack and can potentially be dodged by usual means or by double-jumping over it or grappling away. Especially true for guys like mentioned sbt fella with his allegedly "trained good aim" with hitscan shots.

Ooper

I guess you could cheese with the shockball on some maps with narrow corridors, or at point blank range shot people with shockballs to get high accuracy. That 48%acc stats is not for the right click game though, he got 8.26% in the game being referred to https://eatsleeput.com/utstats/?p=match&mid=29446.

player_0

Maybe you're right. Did you notice that on this opel almost everyone had low acc? Weird.

Ooper

People on the server could of been screwing around instead of playing normally.

jerc

I hit as many shockball kills as combos on most maps and i can say from experience you can kill 3 players with one shockball. As far as SBT's accuracy going down using shockballs I guess you don't know SBT, I,ve seen him get 200 frags without firing a single primary or combo. Correct me if I'm wrong but the only shockball bot would be a time machine.

Schizazoid

jerc I guess you don't know SBT

Nah, I get that this guy basically is a deity of ut, who invented fragging as a thing and we mere mortals are just his plaything.
Argument is that one can dodge ball either with good enough reaction, better ping or both (that's assuming, that shot is not pointblank - and even with pointblank-shots I've experienced misses) and can be repeat that several times in a row - that generally will lead to diminishing in overall accuracy of guy who fired a shot/s. Yes, there's also different things that influence the outcome of your shot (map size and design, how packed server atm, your ping, how skilled/unskilled your opponents are etc), but that's another theorycraft story.
As for multikills with balls - I'm not sure how stat system calculates accuracy for that, but my guess is that counts as 1 shot 1 hit (as it should, since those 2+ ppl are just collateral dmg of 1 specific instance of hit).

player_0

Schizazoid
The great master has been found. Maybe you should read with comprehension. Your posts on the forum show what an arrogant and convoluted life form you are.
Everyone call me Shizuu because I'm fucking awesome, Nah, Kek. My knowledge would shock and intimidate you all. I don't like to get nervous, so I approach everything with contempt and a chillout disposition and with a delicate hint of brilliance. I smoke a lot so that my own brain doesn't start to realize what wisdom I have in my head. If I ever quit smoking, I'd be shocked and intimidated along with you.

player_0

https://eatsleeput.com/d/248-smartctf/22

Schizazoid

player_0 so, basically, balls don't count unless one explode them with combo, or am I missing something? Cuz in the post you linked Cowboy doesn't mention shockball hits in explanation, only primary fire and comboshot.

player_0 Your posts on the forum show what an arrogant and convoluted life form you are.

Ok, mr. tantrum, w/e you say. 👀

Schizazoid

the_cowboy I see, thanks for further clarification.

jerc So, right now damaging somebody without killing by shockballs or combos won't count as hit? Technically, you hitted the target, even server's hit sound mutator aknowledge that by triggering at it.

player_0 now, mr. "not at all arrogant", read what Cowboy kindly posted and try to read it "with comprehension". Basing on Cowboy statements here, we can come to conclusion that you linked "proof of concept" rather than actual implemented feature, Maybe Snowguy will clarify that for us when he'll got time to do so.

the_cowboy

Schizazoid Cuz in the post you linked Cowboy doesn't mention shockball hits in explanation, only primary fire and comboshot

Well I was talking in the context of SmartCTF and the possible way to compute accuracy is to ignore shockball hits (to start coding from something tractable). I have already pushed the relevant SmartCTF code and snowguy may bring in when the time is right. The accuracy shown by UTStats is not known to me completely (snowguy can fill in maybe).

Efficiency is unanimously same and given by Kills / (Kills + Deaths) .

Schizazoid

the_cowboy ok, thanks for claryfication.
So, comboshot will count as 1 hit, even if it kills or tag health of 2+ targets, right?
Don't entirely understand why would one ignore shocball hits. To filter out spamming? Or there is some kind of difficulty in tracking that?
Effeciency is explained in stat window on site, but nice of you to mention it, thanks.

jerc

These IG guys always trying to look down on shockballs/combos. I can actually shoot you with primary but what would be the fun in that. Combos and Shockballs not counting is some IG NOOB Bullshit.

Kurogane

jerc I also enjoy using combos to kill even if I could kill with primary.
A pleasure when you hit those far away combos.

jerc

Schizazoid Sure if it was a weapons server it would count towards your stats.

the_cowboy

Hohoho, put it this way "Rome wasn't built in a day"

I am not making any decisions on what to count and what not to. Counting only primary fire is the basic thing I can do in code so I start with that as step 1, obviously. Next step, step 2, would be to count the alternate fires (shockballs and whatever) via code, a now, AFTER step 1, tractable additional complexity, and include that in statistics. I have completed first step 1. If snowguy puts the code in server, he will be adding minor code changes to achieve step 2.

I don't make judgements. I just serve to community needs!

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