Is he/she/it truly a cheater? was he/she/it ever logged by the anti-cheat?
Biggest question. who is he/she/it?
Sad but true
Obvious triggerbot. Confirmed by a bunch of the most known Instagib/normal weapons players. Why this abomination isn't banned is beyond me.
I've never seen any proof of him cheating. Personally i just think hes a guy who has been playing for 20 years.
@vivelafrance73 sait it all.
@jerc, this is where you're wrong. okay he is playing since 15 or more years. but doesn't mean he isn't cheating. if you're also an oldschool player, you should know he got banned from a bunch of servers in the past. I let you guess the reason 
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oh btw, have you ever seen him playing in another server ? i mean, a server where there is a decent anti cheat or an admin who's not blind ? 
About the reason why the admin doesn't ban him, well, that's the biggest mystery of this server. it's blatant that guy is cheating.
just do what i do, when you see him playing, don't bother staying in the server. that's useless
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I'll start this one by saying that it is innocent until proven guilty on the servers.
zcbz Is he/she/it truly a cheater? was he/she/it ever logged by the anti-cheat?
I have no proof that he is truly a cheater and he has never been logged on the ESU servers by anti-cheat. I have been doing my best to keep all the servers up to date with the latest releases of ACE (Anti Cheat Engine) as they are released.
With the exception of the combogib DM New York server and the NW London server, they are all using the latest ACE v1.2e. The DM and NW servers need extensive updates still so they are on the previous version currently. There is supposed to be a new release of ACE v1.3 soon and when that happens I will make sure to update. To be clear, I'm not trying to say that ACE catches everything but I can say it does a very good job of stopping the bulk of the known cheats in existence.
zcbz Biggest question. who is he/she/it?
This player uses various aliases just like many other players do but most players will know him originally as pitok and he freely admits this if asked in game so I'm not revealing anything private by saying it here.
Before the accusations start about this player being the admin, I will say that he is not the admin. I have had to kick and/or ban multiple players that decide they will take matters into their own hands by repeatedly team killing this player. This often leads to them believing he is being protected and/or he is the admin. I will, without bias, protect any player from being repeatedly team killed. Not only is it not fair for the player being team killed but it ruins the game for all players when someone does this.
Addressing some of the other comments: since this forum is just starting out I'm trying to keep the moderation lenient but I want to remind people that you should provide your evidence (video, demo, etc) when accusing someone.
I'm not arguing that any particular player is innocent here. I'm saying that all players are by default considered innocent until proven otherwise.
Recently there was a thread which centered on this player on the ut99.org forum, there some people with good knowledge of UT and client side hit detection internals expressed the difficulty in proving that someone is cheating. This is a good read if you are interested: https://ut99.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15155
Well snowguy, i really understand your point, but.....
It seems your not active playing on your servers, else you would see, that his runs and shots are out of normal players. For me, I can say, I very active on your server(s), and have a long of time of playing UT. Several other, for long times active players can tell you, that this guy is using a decent trigger support.
For me, I can tell you, that for about 2 years now, I reported you this via EMail. I suggest you got a lot of more mails about him.
I have a big problem, that your server rules say "Play CTF", and there are a lot of players, doing nothing else than playing death match.
To tell the truth, the server needs a decent Admin, to give players an active warning or just to show presence ("an admin is here").
@Titan is "unfortunately' right...
You don't play enough on your server. They are a lot, like... way too many players that do nothing except camping / DM-ing or simply spawnkilling. Thats a pain.
But as it has been said, you don't play enough to spot SBT cheating... That guy running a silent aim or trigger bot (call it whatever you want). At the end, we will do what Hitman said on the UT99.org topic "Most of us that are older Admins can spot this, and if you hesitate to kick him out he will drain your server from players cos none will join so trust your gut and use latest ACE if its your server=your rules, that's my advice.."
You have nothing to do except going on your server undercover (or not), and clean it a bit. Some players won't be missed, trust me
start by kicking the player for 30s if he gets X number of spawnkill warnings
Hello. I started the topic on ut99.org. I didn't think I'd have to continue it. There are so many things I didn't mention about him. For example, he uses Bunnyhopping all the time.
And in CTF-CaNNiBAL, he has a very strange behavior... if the enemy's flag is on the floor, then the flag is attached to his aim (visually, not real for other players). I know, I know it's all bad netcode, and lags and some mod.... 
In any case. How to prove if the admin has all the logs and stuff ?
I understand that I write everything in vain...
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The only thing i can say , without proof you have nothing , just like a murder , if they can't proof it your not a murderer , simple as that.
ESUOH Oh friend. thanks for the example
When a murder occurs, what should be done first? so right to look for witnesses
- All these people who write above are witnesses.
- The video is already proof (just don't take everyone for fools
about lags and more...) - About the name of the cheat. Call it Zeroping or Hacked Zeroping or Hacked Driver.... doesn't matter
I've been hacking things a bit myself. But I hacked console things (PS3)
I play on a 32 inch screen. And everything is easy to see.
The server uses zeroing and this is a weak point for everyone. I'm very interested to see if this mod is removed
We all can only trust the admin. But these are not official servers.
MR snowguy if YOU can't prove it, then that's another matter.
Zeroping is access to cheaters. So we have this situation.
Regards...
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And what does it say when you guys spectate sad but true? i did it a loth and i cant say i saw a cheat . Probably u guys see it better but i really didn't . Ingame playing against him isnt always a gift , is he that good or..... i dont know .. offcourse im not procheat who is ? He is certainly a very good aimer he shows that game after game . I ask myself why would you use a cheat if you are allready that good , he has nice mousecontrol so it would be very weird to use a cheat for those few extra frags .
Is he banned from the ukserver for that bouncing snowguy?
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There is a lot that has been brought up here. I will try to cover it all but it will take some time so I will answer a little bit here and there as time permits.
Titan It seems your not active playing on your servers, else you would see, that his runs and shots are out of normal players.
Although I haven't been playing much recently, I can tell you that I have played with and against this player for years. In fact, my first 2 years back into UT I played practically every day on the same server as this player both in normal weapons and combogib. So, I do understand what it is like playing against him. I have also spent many many hours watching his play and have watched all videos and demos that people have sent me of him in slow motion at least once. I don't make my decisions based on how many emails I receive or how many players say someone is cheating.
Titan I have a big problem, that your server rules say "Play CTF", and there are a lot of players, doing nothing else than playing death match.
Rules like this are subjective, almost every player will have a different definition of what is CTF and what is not CTF. The rule "The objective is CTF, play it" is more an attempt to encourage/remind players that we are capturing flags here not just shooting each other. Trying to enforce this rule would be cumbersome and most likely push many people away to never return. I'm afraid it is the price that must be paid to have the server populated.
Titan To tell the truth, the server needs a decent Admin, to give players an active warning or just to show presence ("an admin is here").
I have chosen to take a different approach to this. The problem with showing that there is an admin around is that players will just behave only when the admin is there and not at other times. One could get a team of administrators so there would always be one around but this can lead to overzealous administration and once again push people away. I do however warn and ban players you just don't notice it. I used to have banned players announced when they tried to reconnect to show to others that bans do happen but eventually some banned player decided they would use this to reconnect with vulgar and/or disparaging names of other players so I turned off this broadcasting of bans.
No offense intended reg but I have received more complaints about you DM-ing than any other player. In fact, almost as many complaints about you than I have had about pitok.
reg i mean, a server where there is a decent anti cheat
Do you have a suggestion for another anti cheat that is needed on the server?
That's all for now, I'll try to respond to other comments and questions as soon as possible.
This post is not about sad_but_true only, it belongs to other players also.
What you say snowguy is, that you will do nothing, as long as there is no proof. With that attitude, your protecting one guy. But - I can talk for myself only - but what I see also, many other players won't play or leave the server, when he's on.
The list of players causing this situation is longer (sbt, henry, dasein, ....).
You should ask yourself, what is more important for you: the protection of one player (proofed guilty or not) or the fun for the community (for which the server is here, when I understand that right).
I think it would be a good signal, to active remove players from a running game. You can broadcast an admin message into the game, every player can read that.
...and reg.... i don't know that guy. But what i see, he's a very good defender. I never (!!!) saw him dm'ing. But his defense is good. Maybe annoying, but good. Every complain about that is .... ha ha ha.
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sbt isnt really the only problem , maybe he is for some of you , but there are much worse players at least sbt is playing ctf in a normal way(cheat or not) , Players like oOo , wfh-deicide , uccello , lou sasolle , dasein ..etc arent even playing ctf anymore just camping , spawnkillin all game long. if you come in to sabotage the game of 17 other players you better get a timeout.
Yea reg hes defending all game long , game after game no grabs , is that allowed ? (thats sound very fucking selfish to me , isnt it) ? i had a few time a word to him about it , but that arrogance of not answering on the server is very easy offcourse . If thats allowed im gonna do the same and thats what you gonna create. All that behavior on the server gets from one person to another thats why the server is so poisened fuckeD up now. So what im gonna do now is full spawnkill games full defending games as it is allowed ? what i suggest is that some players get a little break to think lol , at least a week to start
cammon lou sassole is quite epic player, don't punish him. He plays a special 4D chess.
There are different things you guys are talking here about playstyles and etc and that is a bit complicated to really manage, I mean, the game has a point set system that benefits camping, it has always been like that. I also do a lot of DMing although in many times i am just doing it because i want to stop the enemy spawncampers or dm'ers
I do think some anti-spawncamping should/could be in place such as: a) excessive spawn camp kills - 30s out of the server or b) spawn protection.
Regarding camping - why not a warning if a player doesn't move after 10s and a kick after 20s - this will force campers to relocate basically turning that stand combo playstyle into normal game style. You can set this minimum movement to be e.g. 100 to 200 unreal units idk, something relatively significant.
Regarding people playing CTF, more points should be given to people who attack. Maybe automatically being awarded 3 pts for entering enemy flag area would create a positive reinforcement for attacking the flag.
The problem in UT is that it always has rewarded fragging playstyles because flags kills = 7 pts (or something like that). So public server playing has always been the entire enemy team after the FC. Also, map designs are problematic as many (especially older) maps are chokepoint based so people can sit in one area and shoot at an entrance or simple spawns that can be pre-aimed.
Many people make a lot of their frags based on these and these are many issues that have always been a problem in public server playing.
zcbz i don't know whats epic about him , you guys supporting his bad behavior is much worse , my thought.
And like you say they even get rewarded for their behavior. Flagkills get rewarded verywell , im attacking a loth so i miss all those points but like i said if its allowed im gonna change my playstyle from now on , and it dont gonna get pretty.
ESUOH i don't know whats epic about him , you guys supporting his bad behavior is much worse , my thought.
And like you say they even get rewarded for their behavior. Flagkills get rewarded verywell , im attacking a loth so i miss all those points but like i said if its allowed im gonna change my playstyle from now on , and it dont gonna get pretty
I feel a bit like ESUOH. I have more + more the problem, to motivate myself to go on playing. So I went to spectate. Of course you get the kick backs like "Oh look, Player X is always running away when loosing". I try to be "over" this litte childs comments, but it doesn't work always :-(
My own experience about "camper mutators" and spawn protection is, that I don't like them. Even spawn protection can be very frustating, when you go for normal attacking, fire an opponent, and he won't die. And 1/2 later, you got killed by this player.
Titan i got the same , i go more and more in spectate mode or even offline , the motivation to get a good game isnt there anymore , or it is for a while but after a few minutes i think , damn same shit different game..
i can't talk about the protections because i never played on a server with it , but it will probably have its cons and pros.
About spammers and campers. Personally, I don't care about such things, because it's all part of the game ... (of course it's annoying) Tell me, have you ever been a noob before? 
(but there's a real person behind it, it's palpable) someone needs a week to learn, and someone a year is not enough. But when you use an extra program to help you aim...
Personally, I noticed two players who are i almost 100% sure that they are cheaters. SBT and a Canadian with nickname "Z"
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Nicefu i don't know about that canadian guy with his 101 names , if i spec him he is very accurate and has nice mousecontrol , he stands still a loth and that gives you sometimes very easy shots, you could be right , but personally i don't see it Nicefu But he deserves at least a ban , for his playstyle , not grabbing backshooting etc
After watching your video @Nicefu, I really don't understand how people can still be like "oh no, he is clean for me just good !"
Well, after all, it's not my server, @snowguy do whatever he wants. I'll keep doing what I'm doing, meaning leaving the server when he is playing. That's all. Up to you to ban him or not. You're the master here
Nicefu Hello. I started the topic on ut99.org. I didn't think I'd have to continue it. There are so many things I didn't mention about him. For example, he uses Bunnyhopping all the time.
Sorry Nicefu, I didn't mean to pick on your topic over there and cause you to have to continue it. It's just that Ferali is very knowledgeable about this and he explained some things very well in that thread so I wanted others to be able to access this same information without me doing a poor job of trying to explain the same things here.
Esuoh is correct in that I have turned a blind eye to bunnyhopping / bouncing. It's definitely not encouraged but my servers are just for public fun which is the main reason for the leniency in the rules. I spent an extremely huge amount of time warning, kicking, and banning players for constantly switching teams whenever they felt like it and I didn't want to undergo the same torture to stop the bunny hopping. First because it isn't used that often and second because it can even happen by accident. More to say on this but I'll leave it at that for now.
Nicefu In any case. How to prove if the admin has all the logs and stuff ?
I understand that I write everything in vain...
I can only assure you that the logs don't give any insight to the matter. Although what you have written here might not lead to a ban, I wouldn't consider it all in vain as I am taking it all into consideration. I have already watched your video at the specific times you pointed to in slow motion and I will be commenting on this later today hopefully.
Nicefu About the name of the cheat. Call it Zeroping or Hacked Zeroping or Hacked Driver.... doesn't matter
There very well could be a zeroping hack. If you find one that gets around ACE feel free to let me know about it / send it to me in private and I will work to make sure it is stopped.
Also, if you really believe it is a zeroping hack we now have the ComboGib London 2 server which runs Newnet (FNN) instead of zeroping. The majority of players will have a much better experience on this server with newnet instead of zeroping anyway. It would only take a few players on there from time to time to gather others there and then we can see if the same things happen under this different setup.
Nicefu I've been hacking things a bit myself. But I hacked console things (PS3)
I really hope you aren't saying here that you are a cheater (on PS3) so you know how to spot cheats
Nicefu We all can only trust the admin. But these are not official servers.
MR snowguy if YOU can't prove it, then that's another matter.
Exactly this, I cannot currently prove it and/or I'm not currently convinced. I will mention that being easily convinced of something isn't always a good thing. I myself was even kicked from a deck 16 server after sniping proficiently from the sniper pickup spot and I'm certainly not a top notch player.
snowguy
Well, no need to apologize. I see you are a reasonable person. I just showed them the video and they tried to make me look like a fool.
About PS3 hacking. I converted games to run on retail official PS3 (I released free PS3 games)
I can do a lot more things, but it's not for the public ^^
I think everyone is looking forward to an explanation (if they will offer money for silence, do not agree)
I didn't see shit in that video but I'll watch it again. Yeah get rid of the bouncing and while you are at it the grapple also the shockballs then we can be like ig players and cry about chasers and backshots all day long. Oh do you use specfix because just behindview0 isn't accurate. Watching pitok cheating videos is like watching the xfiles you never really get there. Honestly If pitok wasn't around this thread would be about REG, Jamal or opper... Do what i do Demorec every game and maybe you can be the guy that proves aliens are real.
ESUOH Is he banned from the ukserver for that bouncing snowguy?
Lots of players say he is banned on all servers except mine and therefore he should be banned here also but I don't really know anything about where he is banned and why. Some were saying he used to use the name baton so I dug up an old thread on the UK forum about it which seemed to indicate he was banned for bouncing. Maybe there is more to it but I'm not aware of that.
It's not really the protection of "one" guy though it is the protection of all innocent players until they are proven guilty. Around a year ago Titan, you were playing a lot more and your aim was getting exceptional there were lots of players claiming you were cheating should I have banned you because of that?
The point is, this "protection" extends to every player and proving someone cheats isn't an easy task if it is well hidden. Yes, that means if someone is a really good player they could probably get away with turning a cheat on from time to time but please don't because I really don't want to have to ban you permanently and lose respect for you when it is found out that you were cheating.
Titan I think it would be a good signal, to active remove players from a running game. You can broadcast an admin message into the game, every player can read that.
I already do this sometimes but you either don't see the message or aren't on the server when it happens. It shows up in white text in the chat area. I don't want to display it in the middle of the screen while everyone is trying to play.
ESUOH All that behavior on the server gets from one person to another thats why the server is so poisened fuckeD up now. So what im gonna do now is full spawnkill games full defending games as it is allowed ?
You are right, toxicity and poor behavior are contagious but so is courteousness and kindness. While I hope you don't change your game to be annoying since it is being done to you I understand if you do. Often times when you get spawnkilled a bunch, like on 2on2crates for example, you go to return the favor but instead of getting even with the player that was doing it to you; you instead spawnkill someone else repeatedly that was just trying to play normally. The player you want revenge on is actually back at your base still spawnkilling your teammates.
The point being, there aren't that many of us left in this game we should try to be helpful to each other and make that the contagion as much as possible instead of the toxicity.
We should start a separate thread to discuss spawn camping and what can or should be done about it. Not everyone will want it changed as in some regards it is part of the game and Titan brings up a good example of why spawn protection can be frustrating at times.
zcbz Regarding people playing CTF, more points should be given to people who attack.
I will start a thread about this soon zcbz. There I will show all the settings for points and we can discuss changes if anyone wants them.
Very good point here which is one of the main reasons I don't try and punish players for camping etc.
I think I'm finally caught up to where the video is shown. I promise once again to comment on all the time periods you pointed at there but it will take some time to write it up so bare with me.
We should all try to start making different threads for the separate topics