Spawn camping

newjack

Ok, so I feel like I have to address this. It's getting beyond control and really unplayable at times. U literally have to time the shocks when someone shock combos into spawn. This used to be severly penalized and you got banned from server doing so or alternatively server had 3 sec spawn protection against these fools.

They're ruining the game imo, instead of focusing on playing the game I have to focus on these idiots and chase them. So, can we do something about it? Either spawn protection or point reduction (each time u kill a spawn your kill number goes down, sounds like fun no?)

And don't tell me "it's playing style" as it's not. Its like a mosquito slowly eating away at your nerves when you try to sleep. I can deal with bunny hops, shock pushes etc, all part of the game but standing in front of spawn point and blasting combos is not really playing ctf.

My 2c, what do u guys think?

Schizazoid

Point reduction for spawnkilling would work only if a player actually cares about points, but look at some frequent spawncampers - they do it for the sake of doing it, not for farming points.

Spawn protection sounds like a good idea, until you realise that it's gonna screw chances of FC getting away from the opponents base on most of the popular maps. Look at opel: it's already painful enough to get in the flagroom (even with grapple), because of corner rats (who don't even have to posses a good aim) in said room and because all your routes have spawnpoints on them: you frag the guy on the flag - he gets spawned in center with direct los on flag and frags you, while you (or any person trying to cover fc) can't frag him first since he gets spawn protection.

Banning is the only efficient strategy it seems, but then again, you'll probably end up with banning more than half of server traffic, since even "good" players spawncamp every now and then depending on the map.

jerc

Nobody likes spawn protection plus spawn protection would hinder the flag carrier on most of the spam maps people love. Seriously has anyone ever capped on woot without spawing 2 or 3 on the way out?

Nicefu

Anti spam is a good idea. But I doubt that it will be enabled on the server. The problem is not the spam itself, but the people who do it throughout the game. I myself also spam (2on2 Crates) if I’m nearby and waiting for a flag, for example, but I have a “until the first kill” rule (you don’t have to wait long). I'm not going back to the same place.

In any case, the server is public and has almost no rules. You can even cheat, but the main thing is not to get caught. I don’t know, for me in general, cheaters are the main problem, but there’s nothing you can do about it.
Came across this video yesterday...

Kinda on topic 😁

Ann0ying

Maybe another type of spawnkill protection would be to increase the delay between the shots / shockballs to something like 2s of the spawnkilling player for a few minutes. Allow 2 or 3 spawnkills and then increase that delay..

Ooper

I bet you could just disable damage and play fake Announcer sounds to trick a lot of the spammers.

Don't forget if you add negative points for spawn kills it will effect team balancer.

Covid_A_Swab

The best thing to do is make a custom mutator that freezes the spawnkiller after 5 spawnkills ( unable to move at all for 10 seconds, like freezetag) and attaches a sign to the player saying " this is a spawkilling faggot ".

If only i had scripting knowledge i would make such a mutator right away.

snowguy

Last time we talked about it on the forum and I even hinted at making some sort of new spawn protection I got private messages/email from multiple players, who aren't spawn campers, pleading with me to not do anything with spawns.

https://eatsleeput.com/d/67-spawn-protection-or-its-pointless

Banning is also not a real solution. Maybe that would fly on a clan/pug server but on the public server banning for spawn camping only stops the spawn camping as a side effect from not letting them play at all. My goal, if I were to do anything at all, would be to stop the actual spawn camping not stop those players from actually playing. Only a few of the banned players would contact me for an explanation and even fewer would react positively by not spawn camping when let back on the server.

Covid_A_Swab

snowguy isnt there already something on the server that gives the message. " is a spawnkilling lamer " or something?

snowguy

That is smartCTF that gives the spawnkiling lamer message. I think the spawn killers might actually get emboldened by that message rather than deterred from continuing.

jerc

I've come into an enemy base and had a group of players spawn in front of me and combo'ed them all with one shot. Should I let them shoot me instead? Plus if spawn protection were on they would be boosted turn and shoot me which is lamer than spawning. I don't even think IG leagues or pugs use it.

ESUOH

i stopped playing for 4months , conclusion only more morons joined the shitshow.

The problem i have is , that some players with decent aim only want to flagkill , and playing for points that just kills every F***ing game , If we all gonna defend and flagkill you have no game at all.

idiots like sonofsam , funkyslap , bife and some others , they just kill the game, every fucking game. Bife is just a retard who wants revenge for being bullied so much , sadsad person.

i hope you can do something about the spawnkills..but for me flagkillers kill i t , and people like bife hiding and standing 20min long in the same place.

medor

http://medor.no-ip.org/ServerSide_Mods/RSL_RC4.zip this is the way for all
no spam no protect

player_0

medor
I understand that this mod adds its own new respawn locations. It seems to me that this mod will probably not find new places for spawns on small maps, and on larger maps the problem of spawnkilling is negligible. Alternatively, the mod could only be loaded with specific, selected larger maps. But then a new problem could arise, i.e. those players who have learned respawn locations may have a problem with quick intervention right after killing them, although this could be learned...

newjack

Hm, I think what would work is possibly having spawn protection 1-3 sec however flag carrier would be excluded from that, he'd be able to spawn kill since he needs to get out of base. How about that?

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Spawnkilling is great and fun, I like it and I hope it never gets nerfed just like the cheaters and tards I hope they all stay

-Lou-

Beware of fake Lou's.!!

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-Lou-

Big fan bro

Snakefinger

I don't get it either, but I do get satisfaction shutting down the repeat offenders. Though I do agree, the 2v2 crates map can be almost unplayable if you get a few chuds constantly spawn camping.

Jacey

Snakefinger the 2v2 crates map can be almost unplayable if you get a few chuds constantly spawn camping.

Not just crates map, 1on1Joust is even worse. Brainless players spawnlame the entire map, no chance of even get the flag!
How about after 10 seconds spawnlame the player kills himself? I know it can be done, it was on some server ages ago.

Covid_A_Swab

Jacey you just need to be faster.
Its perfectly normal for players to camp at the wall near enemy entrance in that particular map. I had a hard time with those maps but now i tend be better in crowded maps or maps with alot of corners.

MORTIS

Jacey But thats kinda the point of the map, to joust with your team to the opposite site and lock them in. ;-)