sbt isnt really the only problem , maybe he is for some of you , but there are much worse players at least sbt is playing ctf in a normal way(cheat or not) , Players like oOo , wfh-deicide , uccello , lou sasolle , dasein ..etc arent even playing ctf anymore just camping , spawnkillin all game long. if you come in to sabotage the game of 17 other players you better get a timeout.

Yea reg hes defending all game long , game after game no grabs , is that allowed ? (thats sound very fucking selfish to me , isnt it) ? i had a few time a word to him about it , but that arrogance of not answering on the server is very easy offcourse . If thats allowed im gonna do the same and thats what you gonna create. All that behavior on the server gets from one person to another thats why the server is so poisened fuckeD up now. So what im gonna do now is full spawnkill games full defending games as it is allowed ? what i suggest is that some players get a little break to think lol , at least a week to start 🙂

    cammon lou sassole is quite epic player, don't punish him. He plays a special 4D chess.

    There are different things you guys are talking here about playstyles and etc and that is a bit complicated to really manage, I mean, the game has a point set system that benefits camping, it has always been like that. I also do a lot of DMing although in many times i am just doing it because i want to stop the enemy spawncampers or dm'ers

    I do think some anti-spawncamping should/could be in place such as: a) excessive spawn camp kills - 30s out of the server or b) spawn protection.

    Regarding camping - why not a warning if a player doesn't move after 10s and a kick after 20s - this will force campers to relocate basically turning that stand combo playstyle into normal game style. You can set this minimum movement to be e.g. 100 to 200 unreal units idk, something relatively significant.

    Regarding people playing CTF, more points should be given to people who attack. Maybe automatically being awarded 3 pts for entering enemy flag area would create a positive reinforcement for attacking the flag.

    The problem in UT is that it always has rewarded fragging playstyles because flags kills = 7 pts (or something like that). So public server playing has always been the entire enemy team after the FC. Also, map designs are problematic as many (especially older) maps are chokepoint based so people can sit in one area and shoot at an entrance or simple spawns that can be pre-aimed.

    Many people make a lot of their frags based on these and these are many issues that have always been a problem in public server playing.

      zcbz i don't know whats epic about him , you guys supporting his bad behavior is much worse , my thought.
      And like you say they even get rewarded for their behavior. Flagkills get rewarded verywell , im attacking a loth so i miss all those points but like i said if its allowed im gonna change my playstyle from now on , and it dont gonna get pretty.

        ESUOH i don't know whats epic about him , you guys supporting his bad behavior is much worse , my thought.
        And like you say they even get rewarded for their behavior. Flagkills get rewarded verywell , im attacking a loth so i miss all those points but like i said if its allowed im gonna change my playstyle from now on , and it dont gonna get pretty

        I feel a bit like ESUOH. I have more + more the problem, to motivate myself to go on playing. So I went to spectate. Of course you get the kick backs like "Oh look, Player X is always running away when loosing". I try to be "over" this litte childs comments, but it doesn't work always :-(

        My own experience about "camper mutators" and spawn protection is, that I don't like them. Even spawn protection can be very frustating, when you go for normal attacking, fire an opponent, and he won't die. And 1/2 later, you got killed by this player.

          Titan i got the same , i go more and more in spectate mode or even offline , the motivation to get a good game isnt there anymore , or it is for a while but after a few minutes i think , damn same shit different game..

          i can't talk about the protections because i never played on a server with it , but it will probably have its cons and pros.

          About spammers and campers. Personally, I don't care about such things, because it's all part of the game ... (of course it's annoying) Tell me, have you ever been a noob before? 🤣 (but there's a real person behind it, it's palpable) someone needs a week to learn, and someone a year is not enough. But when you use an extra program to help you aim...

          Personally, I noticed two players who are i almost 100% sure that they are cheaters. SBT and a Canadian with nickname "Z"

            Nicefu i don't know about that canadian guy with his 101 names , if i spec him he is very accurate and has nice mousecontrol , he stands still a loth and that gives you sometimes very easy shots, you could be right , but personally i don't see it Nicefu 🙂 But he deserves at least a ban , for his playstyle , not grabbing backshooting etc

            ESUOH

            1:53
            2:41
            2:48 (wft is that)
            3:37
            4:23
            7:41 (of course it's a bug) haha

            These moments need to be watched in slow speed...

              Nicefu Thanks Nicefu , 2:41 and 7:41 is indeed very weird , on the rest i dont see much wrong but like you say you need to see it in slowmotion , How much % you think he's using it ? Because hes not a bad aimer , but those two mentioned above are indeed not normal.

                ESUOH
                It's not about percentages. But there are cheats that pressed the button and they are 100% hit.

                So he can control not to be caught

                  Nicefu with the % i meant , if he got 300frags you dont gonna tell me 50% is fake? like i said before , hes a good player.

                  After watching your video @Nicefu, I really don't understand how people can still be like "oh no, he is clean for me 🙂 just good !"
                  Well, after all, it's not my server, @snowguy do whatever he wants. I'll keep doing what I'm doing, meaning leaving the server when he is playing. That's all. Up to you to ban him or not. You're the master here 😉

                  Nicefu Hello. I started the topic on ut99.org. I didn't think I'd have to continue it. There are so many things I didn't mention about him. For example, he uses Bunnyhopping all the time.

                  Sorry Nicefu, I didn't mean to pick on your topic over there and cause you to have to continue it. It's just that Ferali is very knowledgeable about this and he explained some things very well in that thread so I wanted others to be able to access this same information without me doing a poor job of trying to explain the same things here.

                  Esuoh is correct in that I have turned a blind eye to bunnyhopping / bouncing. It's definitely not encouraged but my servers are just for public fun which is the main reason for the leniency in the rules. I spent an extremely huge amount of time warning, kicking, and banning players for constantly switching teams whenever they felt like it and I didn't want to undergo the same torture to stop the bunny hopping. First because it isn't used that often and second because it can even happen by accident. More to say on this but I'll leave it at that for now.

                  Nicefu In any case. How to prove if the admin has all the logs and stuff ?
                  I understand that I write everything in vain...

                  I can only assure you that the logs don't give any insight to the matter. Although what you have written here might not lead to a ban, I wouldn't consider it all in vain as I am taking it all into consideration. I have already watched your video at the specific times you pointed to in slow motion and I will be commenting on this later today hopefully.

                  Nicefu About the name of the cheat. Call it Zeroping or Hacked Zeroping or Hacked Driver.... doesn't matter

                  There very well could be a zeroping hack. If you find one that gets around ACE feel free to let me know about it / send it to me in private and I will work to make sure it is stopped.

                  Also, if you really believe it is a zeroping hack we now have the ComboGib London 2 server which runs Newnet (FNN) instead of zeroping. The majority of players will have a much better experience on this server with newnet instead of zeroping anyway. It would only take a few players on there from time to time to gather others there and then we can see if the same things happen under this different setup.

                  Nicefu I've been hacking things a bit myself. But I hacked console things (PS3)

                  I really hope you aren't saying here that you are a cheater (on PS3) so you know how to spot cheats 🙂

                  Nicefu We all can only trust the admin. But these are not official servers.
                  MR snowguy if YOU can't prove it, then that's another matter.

                  Exactly this, I cannot currently prove it and/or I'm not currently convinced. I will mention that being easily convinced of something isn't always a good thing. I myself was even kicked from a deck 16 server after sniping proficiently from the sniper pickup spot and I'm certainly not a top notch player.

                    snowguy
                    Well, no need to apologize. I see you are a reasonable person. I just showed them the video and they tried to make me look like a fool.
                    About PS3 hacking. I converted games to run on retail official PS3 (I released free PS3 games)
                    I can do a lot more things, but it's not for the public ^^

                    I think everyone is looking forward to an explanation (if they will offer money for silence, do not agree) 🤣

                    ESUOH true but if you notice many of my suggestions would make it hard for lou to play like he does

                      I didn't see shit in that video but I'll watch it again. Yeah get rid of the bouncing and while you are at it the grapple also the shockballs then we can be like ig players and cry about chasers and backshots all day long. Oh do you use specfix because just behindview0 isn't accurate. Watching pitok cheating videos is like watching the xfiles you never really get there. Honestly If pitok wasn't around this thread would be about REG, Jamal or opper... Do what i do Demorec every game and maybe you can be the guy that proves aliens are real.

                        jerc Do what i do Demorec every game

                        Here's a demo for you.
                        Watching pitok is like watching xxl. 😆
                        As for opper and others, I'll tell you this, having a cheat and using it are not the same thing. ^^

                        How do I know so much? Well, because people themselves disclose everything.

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